CicadaSC

United States700 Posts

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Interview with solar on state of protoss, has eng subs. Please enjoy and subscribe as Crank will be making more videos for the English speaking audience.

He covers various topics the foreign audience discusses such as: the reason for protoss players not winning is because of them being less skilled than the players from the other two races. (have a feeling the community is going to have fun with this one.)

Never stop fighting~

THERIDDLER

Canada96 Posts

I mean anyone in their right minds would see the current protoss player pool is much worse than the other 2 races (except for protoss players ofc). This is quite likely in a game with a small player pool thats shrinking over the years.

Please don’t fricken hack, its just a game.

Herringbone

19 Posts

On October 21 2023 09:46 THERIDDLER wrote:
I mean anyone in their right minds would see the current protoss player pool is much worse than the other 2 races (except for protoss players ofc). This is quite likely in a game with a small player pool thats shrinking over the years.

You are absolutely correct. It’s beyond obvious.

Yoshi Kirishima

United States9782 Posts

So sOs just fell off a lot, Stats is rusty from the military, Classic is still rusty from the military, herO wasn’t a super solid player, and Trap was just bad at PvZ?

Stats Classic herO are a little below Maru Ty Innovation in terms of legacy, but they’re about the level of Ty Innovation in terms of LotV. They’re not quite as good as Rogue Dark Solar but they’re definitely the level of Dark Solar.

I don’t think the reason Protoss struggled vs top zergs in Bo7 is because the top Protosses were just all bad at PvZ compared to their PvT and PvP.

The problem with the argument of “current players clearly aren’t as good” is that imbalance could be the reason why they aren’t doing as good.

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JustTTimberlake

6 Posts

Solar 2-1 Classic , Solar 2-1 herO @ KSL this morning, definetely protoss op after patch

Poopi

France12126 Posts

Zerg still seems like the strongest race, but Protoss has indeed been buffed and should be in a good state now.
Without Zest, Trap and PartinG, it probably won’t translate into domination, but this should still be interesting

WriterMaru

ejozl

Denmark3064 Posts

He didn’t say Toss is the strongest tho, mb the subtitles are off?

SC2 Archon needs “Terrible, terrible damage” as one of it’s quotes.

swarminfestor

Malaysia2234 Posts

On October 21 2023 18:28 Poopi wrote:
Zerg still seems like the strongest race, but Protoss has indeed been buffed and should be in a good state now.
Without Zest, Trap and PartinG, it probably won’t translate into domination, but this should still be interesting

We really need all the Toss juggernauts from the pre-LoV era: Zest, Trap, PartinG, sOs, Classic, herO, and Stats to come out with the solutions, in combination with the online beast: Maxpax. The next year will be dope as the first three tosses are due to finish their military service.

Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^

Vision_

693 Posts

If some members would have said that he could get banned. But If from Solar and a video, nothing will happen….
Captain Peabody

United States2971 Posts

From Solar’s perspective, maybe: it does seem that PvZ is actually slightly but noticeably in favor of Protoss since the patch. But TvP seems to be almost as Terran-favored as it’s ever been at the moment.

Of course, this is immediate post-patch where people are trying to adjust, and things like new strats and all-ins always have more of a role to play. Zerg players were always going to struggle to adjust to Baneling runbys being weaker, and Protoss was always going to struggle with new Terran all-ins with the Cyclone and weaker Disruptors. We’ll have to see how it is when things settle down.

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geokilla

Canada8105 Posts

On October 21 2023 09:46 THERIDDLER wrote:
I mean anyone in their right minds would see the current protoss player pool is much worse than the other 2 races (except for protoss players ofc). This is quite likely in a game with a small player pool thats shrinking over the years.

This is what I’ve been saying for the longest time. Now people suddenly realize this to be a fact…

Herringbone

19 Posts

On October 21 2023 15:36 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
So sOs just fell off a lot, Stats is rusty from the military, Classic is still rusty from the military, herO wasn’t a super solid player, and Trap was just bad at PvZ?

Stats Classic herO are a little below Maru Ty Innovation in terms of legacy, but they’re about the level of Ty Innovation in terms of LotV. They’re not quite as good as Rogue Dark Solar but they’re definitely the level of Dark Solar.

I don’t think the reason Protoss struggled vs top zergs in Bo7 is because the top Protosses were just all bad at PvZ compared to their PvT and PvP.

The problem with the argument of “current players clearly aren’t as good” is that imbalance could be the reason why they aren’t doing as good.

So the reason that the recent qualifiers for Winter are 19 Protoss, 7 Terran, and 6 zerg is just random?

covetousrat

2107 Posts

Whatever race you play will always be the weakest. “Ted”
tigera6

2578 Posts

If you make a team match with each race having their top 5 players, I am pretty sure Zerg and Terran will smash the Protoss race. Now if you remove 2 top players from each of Zerg and Terran race, then it will suddenly looked like a balance game imo.
aringadingding

467 Posts

On October 22 2023 00:10 Herringbone wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 21 2023 15:36 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
So sOs just fell off a lot, Stats is rusty from the military, Classic is still rusty from the military, herO wasn’t a super solid player, and Trap was just bad at PvZ?

Stats Classic herO are a little below Maru Ty Innovation in terms of legacy, but they’re about the level of Ty Innovation in terms of LotV. They’re not quite as good as Rogue Dark Solar but they’re definitely the level of Dark Solar.

I don’t think the reason Protoss struggled vs top zergs in Bo7 is because the top Protosses were just all bad at PvZ compared to their PvT and PvP.

The problem with the argument of “current players clearly aren’t as good” is that imbalance could be the reason why they aren’t doing as good.

So the reason that the recent qualifiers for Winter are 19 Protoss, 7 Terran, and 6 zerg is just random?

did you perhaps notice the participants in the qualifiers? Look at EU for example. There are FOUR times as many “noticable” players for toss compared to Terrans. This is mostly what the open ESL cups looks like. Toss participants are most often WAY more than T or Z. Maybe add that to the equation.

Poopi

France12126 Posts

On October 22 2023 03:03 aringadingding wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 22 2023 00:10 Herringbone wrote:

On October 21 2023 15:36 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
So sOs just fell off a lot, Stats is rusty from the military, Classic is still rusty from the military, herO wasn’t a super solid player, and Trap was just bad at PvZ?

Stats Classic herO are a little below Maru Ty Innovation in terms of legacy, but they’re about the level of Ty Innovation in terms of LotV. They’re not quite as good as Rogue Dark Solar but they’re definitely the level of Dark Solar.

I don’t think the reason Protoss struggled vs top zergs in Bo7 is because the top Protosses were just all bad at PvZ compared to their PvT and PvP.

The problem with the argument of “current players clearly aren’t as good” is that imbalance could be the reason why they aren’t doing as good.

So the reason that the recent qualifiers for Winter are 19 Protoss, 7 Terran, and 6 zerg is just random?

did you perhaps notice the participants in the qualifiers? Look at EU for example. There are FOUR times as many “noticable” players for toss compared to Terrans. This is mostly what the open ESL cups looks like. Toss participants are most often WAY more than T or Z. Maybe add that to the equation.

Can’t this argument also be used to justify the low number of « premier tournament wins » from P since there are far more top Z/T than P after the departures of the top KR Protoss?

WriterMaru

Herringbone

19 Posts

On October 22 2023 03:09 Poopi wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 22 2023 03:03 aringadingding wrote:

On October 22 2023 00:10 Herringbone wrote:

On October 21 2023 15:36 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
So sOs just fell off a lot, Stats is rusty from the military, Classic is still rusty from the military, herO wasn’t a super solid player, and Trap was just bad at PvZ?

Stats Classic herO are a little below Maru Ty Innovation in terms of legacy, but they’re about the level of Ty Innovation in terms of LotV. They’re not quite as good as Rogue Dark Solar but they’re definitely the level of Dark Solar.

I don’t think the reason Protoss struggled vs top zergs in Bo7 is because the top Protosses were just all bad at PvZ compared to their PvT and PvP.

The problem with the argument of “current players clearly aren’t as good” is that imbalance could be the reason why they aren’t doing as good.

So the reason that the recent qualifiers for Winter are 19 Protoss, 7 Terran, and 6 zerg is just random?

did you perhaps notice the participants in the qualifiers? Look at EU for example. There are FOUR times as many “noticable” players for toss compared to Terrans. This is mostly what the open ESL cups looks like. Toss participants are most often WAY more than T or Z. Maybe add that to the equation.

Can’t this argument also be used to justify the low number of « premier tournament wins » from P since there are far more top Z/T than P after the departures of the top KR Protoss?

Exactly. You would almost think there are way more protoss in the range outside the top 10 players (which is a much more substantial sample size) for some reason. Strange

tincer

6 Posts

really nice interview, i enjoyed it! more!
darklycid

3002 Posts

I mean we Just Had a Patch and new Maps even If the Patch wouldnt have nerfed zerg as much as it did (lets say only the +2 bane Thing) zerg would be at its weakest rn because of how the Race works, soni wouldnt give too much about this rn (also lol obv you’d say the before a Nerf Patch was better balanced except it was Something outrageous Like nydus + sh).

Source: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/617526-solar-after-patch-protoss-became-the-strongest